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Overstock, Amazon fighting new state tax

May 14, 2008 by Michael H. Samuels

New York’s new “Amazon Tax” is causing quite a stir throughout the Web.

The law, which requires Web sites to charge sales tax on any products sold in New York state, was included in the state budget this year first by former Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who resigned amidst a sex scandal, and signed and passed by his replacement, Gov. David Paterson.

The law requires Web sites to register all their affiliates, or vendors, in New York state by June 1.

Amazon.com is fighting the law by filing suit against the state while Overstock.com is taking a different route, canceling all its affiliate agreements in New York and thus, no longer having a New York presence.

Columnists on Forbes.com are calling the law unconstituational, TechCrunch is calling New York’s law misguided and Keplinger’s says collecting the taxes and enforcement would be a logistical nightmare.

Here’s some of what they are saying:

First, Amazon’s official policy:

Effective June 1, 2008, Amazon.com LLC will begin collecting sales tax on items shipped to destinations within the State of New York as New York has enacted a new law requiring out-of-state sellers to collect and remit sales tax based on advertising. Amazon has filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of this provision. However, as required by the law, we must still begin collecting New York sales tax beginning on that date.

Next, TechCrunch’s take on Overstock’s decision:

New York has decided it wants its cut, and has enacted a law that treats affiliates of online stores as extensions of the store itself. Because Overstock has a number of affiliates in New York, it is considered (through some very creative logic) to be physically in the state too, which means that it has to collect taxes from all NY customers.
Rather than collect these taxes, Overstock has decided to cut New York affiliates entirely, removing their “physical presence” from the state. The move sends a message that will likely be echoed by other retailers: If you want to be an affiliate, move out of New York.

Keplinger’s says other states are watching closely to see if they can pull this off as well:

Legal arguments and strategies aside, collection and enforcement would be a logistical nightmare. The state sales tax in New York is 4%, but it’s higher in New York City, for example, where the sales tax is 8.375% — and there are 78 different tax jurisdictions in this state alone.
The law targets online retailers’ relationships with affiliates, which are Web sites that earn commissions from vendors by linking consumers to retailers’ sites. And if an online retailer’s affiliate is based in New York, it counts as a physical presence in the state, requiring collection of the sales tax.
Other states are watching the New York situation closely. The state’s large population accounts for a big chunk of Web shopping, which is forecasted to reach $200 billion this year.

And, finally, here are Forbes’ talking heads:

Serious constitutional concerns plague this bill. Its overextension of state taxing authority to corporations lacking any physical presence in New York appears to be an unlawful tax on interstate commerce. The U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling 16 years ago in Quill Corp. v. North Dakota reaffirmed that a corporation must have a “substantial nexus” with a state in order to be subject to its sales and use taxes. When corporations lack physical presence in a state and rely only on common-carrier contacts or the mail to reach its customers, those corporations do not fall under the requisite “substantial nexus.” Nor does a corporation’s mere licensing of software to customers in another state fall under this requirement.

Now it’s your turn. Is this bill good for New York? Will you continue to buy (or sell) your wares on Amazon and Overstock? The LI Biz Blog wants to hear from you!

Posted in Internet, issues, law, media, retail, state government | Tagged Amazon.com, New York state budget, Overstock.com | 11 Comments

11 Responses

  1. on May 15, 2008 at 10:59 am Clifford Sondock, President of the Land Use Institute

    Is a tax a good idea for New York? No

    Is a tax that overreaches state authority, encourage business in New York State? No

    Is another tax, in a state with the highest tax burden in the US, good for New York State? No

    New York State desperately needs to make, as its highest priority, an agenda for systemic reform of the state constitution toward a more efficient and less costly Government.

    New York’s Government system doesn’t work and it is slowly destroying the state’s economy and quality of life.

    The “silver bullet” to reduce the size and increase the efficiency of Government is to abolish the town and village categories of municipal government and consolidate all Government functions to county and city government.


  2. on May 15, 2008 at 11:00 am Teddy

    It shouldn’t be New York State’s business where I do my shopping. If I choose to buy from out-of-state, that’s my concern. This is as bad when tax collectors cruised New Jersey shopping centers, taking down NYS license plates and mailing people notices that they might have been shoping in New Jersey and therefore should pay tax on their purchases.


  3. on May 15, 2008 at 3:55 pm Prof. Jonathan Ezor, Touro Law Center

    As I predicted in my Newsday op ed piece a few weeks ago, New York’s small online businesses and organizations are beginning to lose their revenue from affiliate referral sales, starting with those who were Overstock affiliates. With this law, New York shoots itself in the foot, chasing away both sales tax and business tax revenues and making the state look even less friendly for business. Albany should undo this law before it goes into full effect on 6/1. {Jonathan}


  4. on May 15, 2008 at 6:34 pm chezgianni

    It’s more of the same. NYS is desperate for revenues to feed its ever more rabid Public Sector. Another example is the highest in the nation Workmen’s Compensation burden on the small or large companies yet all payouts go to the public pencil pushers, the insurance companies and the ever present wc lawyers who reside in the same building as the hearings. Been to a couple of cases (not mine just to help but I wasn’t allowed to speak) the Workers got zippo but the judges went out of their way to garantee payments to the lawyers who were forced (eveready right next door) on the Workers seeking compensation for injuries at their work! NYS government and/or the taxing departments are the largest Criminal Organization in the US. And if you want to hear more orror stories check out the sales tax division, they are absolute morons intentionally positioned to tire the Taxpayer into submittion. I represented a Large Process Manufacturing Company very complex in the Use side of the Sales and “Use” Tax, to audit they send two high school drop outs who did not know the difference between a window glass vs a production photographic glass even wen I tried to explain that a window glass was only $ 20 while the high quality clear, hard, specialty photographic glass was $ 2,400, they just couldn’t grasp it but I believe it was intentional by their management…..just to wear us out!!!!!!

    p.s. Capitalizations are intentional, if I do not respect who I am writing about they get a lower case.


  5. on May 27, 2008 at 10:24 pm dave reed

    Well, people want democrats in office they get what they deserve. Dems love to tax tax and tax thats why i never vote for them. Its not that I dont like some of their policies its just that this one particular policy often hurts most the very people they claim to represent making them total hypocrites.

    I for one won’t order online any longer and believe me, I order a ton from amazon. I already cancelled a 58″ TV for over $4,000 I had planned to buy—-might as well now buy it local.

    You knew it was coming. Its like the mafia who sees a successful store open up in their area—-the go after it for “protection money”. Govt is no different. The web has run extremely well without govt intervention, so of course they had to go after it.


  6. on May 28, 2008 at 2:37 am gene wolff

    I am for the marijauna weed party in BC. Go canucks


  7. on June 2, 2008 at 9:56 am Tolana

    Doesn’t this mean that it is also unconstitutional for states to collect tax from citizens who make online purchases online from out-of-state companies? (Virginia is one example.)


  8. on June 2, 2008 at 7:12 pm R.T.

    Sorry Dave but the argument that Democrats love to tax alone doesn’t wash. The NYS Senate is run by the Joe Bruno & the Republicans, the Assembly by Sheldon Silver & the Democrats. It had to pass both houses to get to the Governor’s desk.
    Bottom-line, they all suck.

    The question now is, will the state still expect you to pay that “Use Tax” next year?


  9. on July 27, 2008 at 3:47 am Blogmania

    No, this is bad bad bad for NY. It just angers customers and causes NY affiliates to lose money. NY won’t even increase tax revenues much since most shoppers will just find new website to purchase from and NY will spend so much fighting these lawsuits, it will use up any $$ they make.

    BUT THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT DEVELOPMENTS! NY STATE MAY REPEAL THIS TAX.

    Read the details at Seeking Alpha here:

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/86766-amazon-overstock-gamble-may-pay-off


  10. on July 28, 2008 at 9:42 am NY state’s ‘Amazon Tax’ may be no more « LI Biz Blog

    [...] The tax, which would bring in upwards of $50 million in revenue for the state, had been widely criticized in online circles, and companies such as Amazon.com and Overstock.com have filed lawsuits fighting against it since it was proposed. [...]


  11. on August 4, 2008 at 12:51 am Steve

    For all those that think this is the NY Democrats fault, Check the voting results for this bill. Just as many Republicans voted for this NY State Amazon Tax, in fact the Republican controlled NY State senate could have stopped this very easily, but they passed it also just like the democratic controlled assembly (Joe Bruno should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen on his watch). Republicans used to be good for stopping taxes, Republicans used to be good for Upstate NY but that is no longer the case, it seems anymore Republicans are only are out to protect the very rich and anyone else they will up taxes on in a second (it is not like tax from Amazon orders is going to affect multi millionaires, that is why Republicans supported this tax because it does not affect the very rich). This is not a democratic problem, this is a NY State politician problem. I suggest checking your local State Assembly Representative and State Senators voting record and vote against them if they supported this NY Amazon tax. After all they get nothing done anyway, they just delay stuff for 6 months and then go on vacation for 6 months it seems.

    From the sounds of things Amazon is losing much NY state orders, unless they get new NY state customers that don’t care about tax they are going to go downhill in this state.

    When will this end, does NY state plan on collecting tax from me if I go buy something is Vermont or Massachusetts (I’m sure they will find a way soon)? Sounds very unfair that they do not force Vermont and Massachusetts to charge NY State sales tax to visitors (I thought the entire reason of this law was because almost no one was reporting or paying tax on items they purchased out of state), but they make Amazon charge tax for items purchased out of state. Sounds like Amazon has a very good case that this tax in unfair since it directly targets them, NY State Lawmakers even nicknamed this the “Amazon Tax”, how dumb can NY State Politicians get, it is like they were asking for the lawsuit from Amazon.



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